cointosser: (Default)
Jaskier "old-timey fuckboy" Alfred Pankratz ([personal profile] cointosser) wrote2021-04-12 08:58 pm
coerthantorment: (120)

[personal profile] coerthantorment 2021-11-20 07:32 am (UTC)(link)
Though his hatred for moogles is not what it once was, they are an overwhelming affair in general, and he was not expecting to see one here. It takes him a moment to remember, that he thought he saw the creature before when in the vineyard, but it hadn't gotten in his face that time. He guesses it isn't surprising - Himeka also likes them, and she and Jaskier have some things in common.

Most of the moogles words process as nonsense to Estinien, particularly something about engagement. He assumes it is some kind of joke, or some kind of 'comical' moogle misunderstanding of a simple situation. If it was anything real, Himeka would have mentioned it... and he can't really imagine her getting engaged to begin with.

"Ah..." Estinien is saying to the moogle, thinking about retreating entirely - and that's when Jaskier shows up for real. If he wasn't ready to leave before, he certainly is now... not least because in his present state of mind, he somehow manages to misinterpret Jaskier's playful question as an actual accusation.

Jaskier must have heard, after all - the he and Geralt were threatening each other. Estinien knows how he would react to that information, which is not favourably, and though his sense of empathy has seen significant growth in the last couple years, it is still a work in progress.

He frowns, furrowing his brow with a touch of bitterness as he averts his eyes away from the man. This was a bad idea.

"I've no need," he says, looking like he is about to take off completely, even as he awkwardly pauses like he thinks he should say something. He doesn't, though. "... and I shall not bother you further."
coerthantorment: (23)

[personal profile] coerthantorment 2021-11-21 04:37 am (UTC)(link)
It's bizarre, sometimes, how much a single moment of context can completely change his understanding of something. One moment, Estinien is convinced that Jaskier's comment contains some manner of snide implication... but, just as quickly, as the man calls after him, asking what's wrong and mentioning he has a gift, Estinien is forced to realize how foolish he's being.

Jaskier's tone towards him is the same as ever, isn't it? It was so easy to imagine something that there wasn't, with the things weighing on his mind. Though, if Jaskier really isn't wary of him, it presents another complication. Maybe he simply doesn't know.

(Were he thinking more astutely, he might remember that the last time they spoke he had been similarly concerned that Jaskier would find him at fault for striking at the High Mage, only to be pleasantly surprised in an almost identical way. Has he always been so concerned about when the other shoe would drop when it comes to his relationships? History would suggest yes, if he dared to think of it.)

Thus, it's with some unavoidable sheepishness that Estinien descends, landing gracefully within the vineyard and close enough to Jaskier that he can make out the details of his clothing. The juice stains on his clothing... what has he been doing? He supposes it should be obvious. It's a vineyard after all.

Estinien crosses his arms around himself, displaying some amount of uncertainty. He supposes he will let Jaskier speak first, lest he continue acting like a fool in his presence.

"A gift..." he repeats, prompting the man onward. His gut reaction is to say that he doesn't need whatever it is, but he manages to shut himself up before getting there.
coerthantorment: (13)

[personal profile] coerthantorment 2021-11-21 10:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Estinien takes it in hand - he knows that, technically speaking, a person could create something like this with the flick of their wrist in this place, but it's clear that's not what Jaskier has been doing. He has the grapes, he has the signs of legitimately stepping on them... and the bottles own relation to what he's told Jaskier in the past is outright touching.

It's easy to make out, within context, and Estinien doesn't know what to do with it at first. Jaskier clearly isn't upset with him, for him to do something like this, but it only makes Estinien's heart sink to realize it. After all, it means that he is likely uninformed.

"You have my thanks," Estinien says, though in a subdued tone that suggests deeper thoughts are lurking in his mind. It's a stock phrase, but there's meaning in his tone. He appreciates it, even if he is unskilled at verbalizing these things.

He looks away.

"But I would not lead you astray. You... should know that I and your comrades are in conflict. I attempted to make peace, but in coming days, I cannot promise..."

He's making it sound very dire, but in truth, he doesn't really understand it at all.
coerthantorment: (70)

[personal profile] coerthantorment 2021-11-22 03:51 am (UTC)(link)
And thus Estinien finds himself gripped by a familiar wariness - what is with these people, anyway? He's already bracing to be told that it doesn't matter, that Jaskier doesn't want to hear it, but everything inside of Estinien is screaming that it does matter and he wishes that someone would just listen to him.

But while with Geralt he'd only had a general impression of him being a decent man, with Jaskier... he really and truly likes him. His own reaction to receiving this gift was enough to tell him that. He doesn't want this same confrontation to happen again, but he can't claim to be sorry, and he can't claim to be as uninvested as all of them seem to be.

"I'm not," he says, first and foremost, the directness of that statement jerking him out of his indecision. "I had only... assumed that given how closely you travel together, that you and Geralt would be of one mind concerning Thorne." His gaze shifts down to the ground. "And the lady Yennefer."

Still, he keeps the bottle of wine clenched firmly in hand.

"Geralt was convinced that nothing should be done, and that trying to do anything was either arrogant or deluded. Such was our 'disagreement'."
coerthantorment: (94)

[personal profile] coerthantorment 2021-11-22 05:26 am (UTC)(link)
To Estinien's credit, while he may not be the best at inferring people's intentions, if he is provided with actual data he is capable of taking it in and using it to adjust his thinking. That's what he'd wanted from Geralt, isn't it? To talk, to understand. Yet when Geralt had forbid him his attempt, he was left to go off of so little, his mind filled in the blanks in the least flattering ways.

He was one to assume the worst, after all - or at the very least, he was unwilling to give people credit they hadn't earned. So why not think Geralt was a coward, that he was self-righteous, that he would sway his companions to fall in line? He had so little to work with, he had no reason to think he wouldn't.

But here it is. However stern Jaskier is being, Estinien doesn't seem to balk on it. Instead, he watches, and listens, his eyes slightly wide as if doing his best to absorb all that he's hearing. Suddenly, the image of a man that had eluded him makes sense, all because he trusts Jaskier enough to give him the right evidence.

Even beyond the mechanical level that he can put together motivation and calculate the results, he understands. On a gut, emotional level he understands. Estinien himself is that friend, isn't he? Or, at least, he was. Not exactly, not in all the ways that matter, but there is taste enough of something he has felt before that he can extrapolate it into something bigger.

There are still some surprises, of course. He and Himeka have been so goal-orientated for most of their relationship that it's hard to imagine what it would be like if they didn't have some common cause and purpose that they all believed in. Himeka and the Scions both. They've always been on the same page, at heart.

Maybe it says something that he can barely imagine what his relationships would be like if it wasn't for the common bond of duty.

But he can't stand here and think on that forever! No, Jaskier deserves an answer in turn. He contemplates what he's going to say, wanting to get it correct the first time.

"...Thank you, for telling me as much," he says, first and foremost. "'Tis... far from my experience. The way that you are." And he means that on a few levels. His personal tidbit for the day. "I had sought him out hoping to understand his perspective, but he gave me little." He's about to say something else, but he leaves it at that.
coerthantorment: (22)

[personal profile] coerthantorment 2021-11-22 06:16 pm (UTC)(link)
It's probably something that would feel less serious if the concept of his conversation with Geralt hadn't been haunting him for the last few months. It wasn't even about Geralt himself, in the end - it was about everything Estinien had allowed him to represent in his head. It's the feeling of having a phantasm of the night explained away by mundane logic in the light of day.

He does feel slightly foolish about all of it, now that Jaskier is dismissing the need for it so plainly - not least because he apparently hasn't forgotten about the circumstances that this conversation started in! Estinien thinks to object, but on second thought, he can't even deny that's what he was doing. Or rather, spying on his domain as a means to vicariously spy on the man.

When did he become so ridiculous, he wonders? Life was easier when he only had one thing going on in his head.

As it is, he stares down at him, still clutching the wine bottle as Jaskier pats his arm. His wings fold closer, apparently discarding the notion of needing to suddenly escape. For Jaskier's curiosity, their texture is most like something belonging to a vast serpent.

"Well," he begins, but doesn't have much to follow it up with. Maybe he'll just be direct. "You've made an impression. With or without the Witcher." After a moment longer, he adds: "I do drink, by the way."
Edited 2021-11-22 18:18 (UTC)
coerthantorment: (110)

[personal profile] coerthantorment 2021-11-23 06:06 am (UTC)(link)
To that, Estinien can't help but actually smile. Maybe it's a good thing he came over to snoop like a fool... if he hadn't, the chance encounter that lead to this new understanding never would have happened. He nods in agreement, glancing around the vineyard as if looking for a place to rest.

There's noticeably less reluctance to his presence, now. Perhaps even compared to the last time they spoke in the Horizon, which had been pleasant on its own. He might even let him touch his wings, if he asked. Maybe.

"Not much, in regards to my own affairs," he says, considering what Jaskier probably does and doesn't know. "Himeka and I have settled with a farming family in the Primary Settlement. They needed the help, it seems. Just the two of them, with an entire flock to care for." He glances aside. Though his work on the farm is something he does take an amount of pride in, it's not something he'd be content sticking with forever.

"The locals have been kind enough, and there's plenty to busy myself with. That said, I have no desire to simply retire to the countryside, after all that's happened...'

Of course, there's more important stuff he's been trying to do... but something tells him that maybe just once he should share something personal instead of heading straight into grizzly political details.
coerthantorment: (70)

[personal profile] coerthantorment 2021-11-25 06:50 am (UTC)(link)
Well, if Jaskier insists, he can forgo the pleasantries. He is surprised for only a moment, before his expression settles into something more contemplative.

"The tiff..." he repeats, as if he thinks it's an odd choice in words. He shakes his head to himself. "As you'll similarly recall, lady Yennefer was among the number that defended the High Mage from my assault. As such, I had deemed her an obstacle to pursuing justice against Thorne... made more curious by the fact that I had seen her and Geralt exchanging romantic gestures only a moment earlier."

He's still not certain he's wrong, but that is still to be seen.

"Thinking Geralt a likely ally in this world... largely through reputation and certain connections... I sought him out to hear his thoughts on her choice in affiliation. I thought that, with a closer perspective, I might see some way around that conflict of interest. Or mayhap better understand her reasons for making such a choice."

His brow still furrows when he thinks of the conversation, even though he thinks he is beginning to understand how it all unfolded.

"Geralt thought little of my attempt, obviously. And, when pressed, he claimed that 'twas none of his business, while also making vague threats about how I would regret it if I pursued her and forced him to become involved. He dismissed any hopes of finding a solution to the problems in this place, seeming to think any higher ambitions than mere survival were mere delusion."

He finally looks up to meet Jaskier's gaze.

"'Tis not an outlook that I can accept. But, while I would have been willing to leave him to his own devices otherwise, the thought that conflicting with Yennefer would be conflicting with him in turn, and mayhap all those he considers comrades..."

He falls silent for a moment, but then adds, in a bit dryer of a tone:

"...And you needn't remind me that you hold no such obligation to him. Mayhap I led myself astray, thinking only of how 'twould be if Himeka and I had been in a similar position."
Edited 2021-11-25 06:51 (UTC)
coerthantorment: (78)

[personal profile] coerthantorment 2021-12-03 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
Estinien shrugs helplessly, already resigned to the complicatedness of it all. He's certainly learning some things from this conversation - including that both Jaskier and Geralt's feelings for the woman may be even more complicated. There's that sort of energy to the situation.

"Only if it were her that stood in my way," he clarifies - though Jaskier's description of her isn't exactly flattering, he hasn't set his mind on vengeance against her in specific. "Shame she doesn't pay Geralt as much mind as he pays her."

So, he's gathering that Geralt actually is in love with the woman but is not in a situation where he can have any expectations of her. A sorry place to be, truly. He wouldn't have thought he'd come out of this pitying the man. If Estinien were to fall in love with someone, he imagines that them not being a huge pain in his ass would be an indispensable feature.

Though maybe it's arrogant to think that, given what his friends are like.

Estinien doesn't actually have any suggestions regarding what he's going to do in particular about Thorne either - it's more the general sense that he'll do what he has to when the opportunity arises.

As for Jaskier's warning, Estinien scoffs.

"I assure you, she wound enjoy my full attention no more than I would hers."
coerthantorment: (14)

[personal profile] coerthantorment 2021-12-13 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
Estinien crosses his arms around his chest, staring down at Jaskier's hand as he touches him. It's not unwelcome, exactly, but it's clear that Estinien rarely receives or applies affection that way. To some degree, it seems that he doesn't know what to do with it.

After a long moment of silence, he huff through his nose, shaking his head.

"'Heroic types'..." he repeats, almost as if he can't quite believe it. Yet, from the outside, he understands why it might seem that way? He's generally been acting with the best intentions, he supposes, but the idea of him being part of any genuine heroism is still fresh to him.

"I merely know that I cannot stay my hand for want of better men and woman to take my place. I feel as if I am already an outlier in this place... as not many see any pressing need to involve themselves in this situation. Even less, to make a stand against the will of others."

This is something that genuinely troubles him... the increasing feeling of being alone in this, and of not being able to rely on others to see things done. He's still bothered by Sam's cook out, even if they did talk themselves around to a more positive outlook on each other's actions.

"Yet, how could I face myself... were my lack of action to cause something terrible to befall my homeland?"
coerthantorment: (129)

[personal profile] coerthantorment 2021-12-14 06:57 am (UTC)(link)
As frustrated as he is by everything, Estinien can't find it within himself to argue that everyone must be a warrior. After all, what do those drawn to the battlefield fight for besides for the sake of others not having to? Of future generations? Jaskier didn't choose to be brought here.

Of course, none of them did, but he can't help but cast a more critical eye on those that clearly have the experience and power to act, but that choose not to. Were this a week ago, he may have begun angrily thinking about Geralt in regards to that sentiment, and his cowardly indifference to choosing a side... but now his heart twinges with understanding, as uncomfortable as it is to have it complicating his view. That's the price of rising to the occasion though, isn't it?

Allowing himself to understand things that make his life more difficult, if it's for the sake of doing the right thing. Sigh. How bothersome.

At any rate, he can take some comfort in Jaskier's assurances - to at least know that the man believes in him and his sensibilities to some degree, even if he doesn't see himself as powerful enough to take the lead. Jaskier has his own skills that Estinien can't even imagine possessing, so maybe they are both unknowingly gazing at each other's positions from across the gap. He contemplates this silently for a moment, staring at the ground before him, before finally humming his tentative agreement.

"Words have their own meaning," he admits, lifting his gaze to face him again. "And are something I am far less adept at." He pauses for a few moments more, seemingly struggling with just that limitation. "...The dragons of my world exclusively record their history through song, as a matter of fact."

That's something he figures Jaskier might find interesting.
coerthantorment: (91)

[personal profile] coerthantorment 2021-12-15 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Estinien looks a bit taken aback at just how positive Jaskier's response is, even though he had meant it as both a compliment and encouragement. Dragons saw things much the same way Jaskier did with regards to music, which is significant validation, in Estiniens' perspective. But now that he's caused the reaction he doesn't really know what to do with it.

Especially when Jaskier asks him if he knows any of the songs. His eyes widen in surprise, suddenly put on the spot. He sort of does remember some of them, but what he didn't explain is that what constitutes as music to dragons is significantly different from what mankind enjoys.

"Ah..." He pulls back slightly, considering. "A dragon song is..." Weirdly enough, part of him doesn't actually want to disappoint, despite the fact that he is definitely going to. "...'Tis more of a call. A roar, physically, but with a timbre that extends into the... spiritual."

He realizes how ridiculous that makes it sound right after saying it, but he has no other words for it. There would be no way for a man to truly replicate it. At least, not normally.

(no subject)

[personal profile] coerthantorment - 2021-12-19 00:13 (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

[personal profile] coerthantorment - 2021-12-24 06:39 (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

[personal profile] coerthantorment - 2021-12-28 18:38 (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

[personal profile] coerthantorment - 2021-12-30 01:24 (UTC) - Expand